Monday, November 22, 2004

Red vs Blue

No, I am not talking about the quite famous Halo parody site. I mean the division that seems to be happening in the US between so called Blue (Democrat) and Red (Republican) states. The internet seems full of very angry people in the Blue states over the past election. It seems the past election has stirred up quite a few frustrations.

What I wonder is if things also where like this during, for example, the Vietnam war? Sometimes when seeing old footage here you see how in the past the US also was bitterly divided. I am curious if it's different this time around and if so why? To be honest I don't know enough of US culture to say. My main concern generally is with their global politics' because it also effects the rest of the world. All I can say is that I never saw this division before. But the Internet being so widely spread this days might also have something to do with that.

Examples of the division online:


At 9:10 pm, Blogger Kathryn said...

There's not really a concerted movement for secession in the blue states. There is a lot of talk about it, I think because it makes us feel better to have something to laugh about. Also it's nice to have a way, even if it is just hypothetical, to have revenge.

There is also a slowly building resentment among blue staters, and liberals living in red states (like me) towards the red state dominated government. The first site you link to lays out the reasons, albeit with somewhat more profanity than most people employ. Basically the feeling is that red states are taking advantage of the blue states economically and trying to impose their restrictive value system at the same time. I'm not sure when or even if this resentment will turn into outright rebellion.

And yes, all this is different than the tensions of the Vietnam era. That was divisive, and you can see that the ripple effect still impacts our national elections. However, the conflict at the time was not so closely tied to the geography of the states. And it was not couched in the same kind of terms.

The arguments over Vietnam were over whether or not the war would gain us anything, whether it could possibly be worth the cost. The current rift is expressed in terms of the moral vs. the immoral, the isolationist vs. the inclusionist, the strong vs. the weak. It's not about a single big issue like Vietnam, it's about the underlying basis for our positions on issues. And the potential outcome here is not just a decision on the issues, it is the complete anihilation of people you disagree with.

As for the effect of all this on the rest of the world, I think that your average red state neo-con would say "screw the rest of the world." Yeah, blue staters and liberals are worried about the ramifications of the elections on a global scale, but what can we do about it? Wish you all luck and hope for it ourselves, I guess.

At 10:29 pm, Blogger Aldo Quispel said...

That makes sense. Thanks for the explantion :)

I did also see a few documentries about other times democrates and republicans really felt very strongly about their candidates. But I guess this is just all a bit further.

I also highly doubt the country would split over it. Al through I do sometimes think that the US is in fact to big to be one country. The differences between it's inhabbitants can be as big as differences between differing nations.


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